A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. I think the 270 Wby pushing 150 gr pills would be a great setup. .280 Remington vs .270 Winchester. Think I'll keep it at 280 Ack. Speaking of the 280 A.I., reader D. Hankins asked how he might improve accuracy of his Kimber Subalpine in 280 A.I. Mr. Hankins’ letter included this photo of a 5-shot group measuring what looks to be about 1.5”. Super B.C. The true beauty of this round is its versatility. The 260 Rem. Hot barrel could start touching one side or another, throwing shots. Basically, availability of styles and weights of bullets put the 280 ahead of the 270 . That carries most 270-class cartridges to 300 yards, farther than most of us shoot. Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. Taking the .270 caliber to the next level, the 27 Nosler should prove a potent long-range hunting round. I’ve also had superb results with Berger’s 168-grain VLD Hunting. The rifle's accuracy didn't suffer and he has taken CO elk beyond 400 yards, more than once. Hunting. a bit more effective for elk, moose, etc. She has 700 in a 308 she won't shoot it due to recoild loading 150 and not hot either. Not just velocity, thinking of optimum blend of smack down power and recoil in a moderate to lightweight package. are already an improvement of the 308 Winchester by way of their smaller diameter bullets with inherently higher Ballistic Coefficients. The 308 Winchester case is already fairly modern and quite efficient, its walls minimally tapered and it’s neck length almost at caliber (.303”) for a secure, straight grip on long bullets. By knowing my trajectory curves I could hold slightly over my quarry's back at 400 yards and drop it into the boiler room. Guns. Lots of great food for thought....thank you all. Discussion Starter • #1 • Nov 26, 2015. These velocities are close to the Wby Mag., and recoil will be less. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. With sincere apologies to the ghost of Shakespeare, that is today’s question. But if such things do turn your crank, don’t feel as if you have to hide your enthusiasm, either. You should be getting closer to 3,200 fps with 140s. Hankins asked if I thought he should try some AccuBond bullets. And that 308 can kill deer/elk out to 800+ if you're up to it. The 260 AI? It also utilizes the.30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to.284, its bullet is exactly.007 inch larger than the.270. EZ PZ. That might be excuse enough for some to go the A.I. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . All Rights Reserved. IMO Weatherby's I really kinda narrowed it down to the 280 AI and the 308. He’s even used it on African plains game. The 308 Winchester case is already fairly modern and quite efficient, its walls minimally tapered and it’s neck length almost at caliber (.303”) for a secure, straight grip on long bullets. Do not succumb to peer pressure and buy more gadgets than you need. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Sambubba. Nothing lost but a bit of time. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. I'm trying the 150g LRAB's BC = .625 in my Accumark this fall. To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. Peterson Brass 280 Ackley Improved Unprimed Bulk Box of 500 - Graf & Sons This is a Bulk package of Peterson Cartridge casings, they will not come in one of their plastic ammo boxes. 308 vs 280 Ackley Improved . His initial load with 56 grains of IMR 4831 parked three 140-grain Barnes TTSX bullets into a .5” group. There are faster .284 cartridges out there than the .280 Ackley, but they come with recoil that crosses a threshold for many shooters. Ackley was also a fan of the .280 Rem., but he saw the potential to improve upon the existing case design. Mr. Ackley was very enthusiastic about the .280 Improved and told me that he felt its capacity was the maximum useable powder for 7mm. What I wanted to tell Mr. Hankins was that a 1.5” grouping rifle is nothing to be ashamed of. Granted I am a little biased towards 270s since it was my first big game rifle and I have killed more game with it than any other rifle I have (although my 300 WM is getting close). For chasing antelope or predators, 120-grain bullets like the ballistic tip scream along at nearly 3,400 fps and … Re: .280 Ackley Improved any better than other 7mms? I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. 280 Ackley Improved 280 Ackley Improved Case: Nosler Primer: Federal 210 Case Trim: 2.525” Barrel Length: 24” Twist Rate: 1:9” Barrel: Bartlein Maximum Loads Should Be Used With Caution - Always Start With Minimum Loads. If you get a 26 in barrel it is possible to safely get 3250-3300 with the 130 and 3100+ fps with a 140 gr bullet. The SAAMI spec 280 Ackley Improved chamber is .014 inches shorter at the datum line headspace dimension than the traditionally accepted wildcat chamber spec as previously produced. Loading Sierra 160 gr. That's my concern on recoil figure with the 280 load 140's or 150's. Several aspects make the .280 Imp. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". route with any of these short action cartridges. Or at least one of them. bullets setting sail at 4,000 fps from 1/16 MOA rifles guided by. It is also a better cross over for mountain elk. To be Ackley Improved or not to be Ackley Improved? *Most Accurate Load C Compressed Load 1. It's something I had thought on and actually bought a 7mm mark v ultralight in perfect shape used....but before I ever fired it I got an offer for a few hundred more than I paid.. Ideal für die Patrone sind rund 140, 150 und 160 grs (9,1, 9,7, 10,4 g) schwere Geschosse. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. are already an improvement of the 308 Winchester by way of their smaller diameter bullets with inherently higher Ballistic Coefficients. Poll Question: For bigger than deer and up to DG, which one is more better :). 27 July 2001, 06:13. barrels limits how long the bullets can be. The 260 Rem. Even if you never hunt anything but steel plates with them, super scopes and super rifles throwing super bullets are interesting and fun. Obviously, check bedding. rifles still bear his name. How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. Warning: Only use Peterson Cartridge Co. casings in firearms in good condition, designed, marked, and chambered for this cartridge. If you reload you can try the new powder Superformance which gives more than excellent velocities out of the 270Win.I have a plain Jane, It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. You have two of the best big game rifles ever made. Including fly swatters. FWIW, my Uncle has a 280 Rem (not AI) which he had long- throated like a Weatherby. Mr. Ackley had a lot of influence on me in the earlier days and out of respect for his help, most of my .280 Imp. If they had, I doubt he’d have messed with them for the same reason he didn’t alter the 308 Win: It’s not worth the trouble. AI is usually my choice, easier on brass, a little extra velocity. As for the old 270 Winchester, Ackley considered it already borderline overbored in its native state, so didn’t recommend giving it his A.I. I did think about the 6.5x284, not dead yet but I have 2 .260s and i was looking for a bit more on them. Mr. Spomer has hunted with sling shots, spears, recurve bows, compound bows, air guns, cap lock muzzleloaders, iron-sight revolvers and autoloaders, 19th century lever-actions, 20th century scoped 30-06 bolt-actions and autoloaders, some of today's most elaborate super rifles and scopes, and everything in between. (Anyone who isn’t exactly sure what Ackley Improved means can learn the details in this earlier blog.) But I have this 700 Ti that I put a factory mountain rifle barrel in 280 that had been punched Ackley. Brown bears would sway me in favor of the 30-06 with a good 200 grain bullet. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150gn & above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. Go. If I want a 7-08 I will have to order it or watch gunbroker. In my opinion the two biggest things to remember about Ackley Improved cartridges and long range shooting is that neither are necessary to be a successful hunter. I hesitate to call hunting a game because it is not a frivolous pastime. nor 260 A. I. because they didn’t exist as factory cartridges in his lifetime. That level of consistency should keep all bullets inside a 7.5” circle at 500 yards. Increasing velocity with larger doses of IMR 4831 and IMR 4350 pushed groups just over MOA. Looking for a new toy....i reload so no problem either way...not shooting strings but looking for some smackdown power and hunting accuracy. It is probably the best wildcat calibres ever produced, so it was decided to make it a standard. Run with the 270 WSM or 270 Wby. Some rifles are finicky. If, however, you are the pragmatic type, you needn’t use the Ackley treatment on any but fairly old, heavily tapered cartridges with long, sloping shoulders and necks. Just for kicks and grins. If it doesn't, you can always easily sand it to float again. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors © document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) J. Frischkorn read my Swarovski dS super scope (rangefinder, electronic, and digital — you can read details in this blog) and that prompted this question: “Prior to using these new “super scopes” how good were you at range estimation, Ron? 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. That took care of 95% of all my shots for decades. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. Zero a modern cartridge with efficient bullets 2.5” to 3" high at 100 yards and you stay inside the 10" kill circle from muzzle to 300 yards. That the .280 AI can be built on a standard long action with a 30-06/.270 bolt face and magazine box is an added bonus. For what it's worth, a Weatherby dealer I met in Louisville, Ky chose and used the .270 Weatherby magnum as his favorite  of all the Weatherby rifles he carried. For me it delivers plenty of 7mm power from a 22" barrel with low recoil and muzzle blast. Or maybe go for the 270 WSM and stay in a short action. I get the most velocity with Norma MRP and Reloader 22 in my 280 Ackley. I found a 280 AI in a kimber and couple 270 wsm. Try the 6.5 PRC. Couldn't help but want to compare to the latest 6.5 design. Jan 17, 2017 #21 S. specneeds Member. Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; Prev. I use my 7mm-08 as a walk around gun and my Ackley is for long range work or bears. Let me know how it goes, and good luck! Ackley reduced the original cartridge’s body taper and changed the shoulder angle to 40 degrees, which allowed for greater case capacity. Nonetheless, not everyone is happy with a 1.5” rifle, so I gave Mr. Hankins some ideas. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. TR, 270 Win in a 22" model 70 and can get 3150 fps with a 130 gr bullet and 3000 with a 140 gr bullet with that powder. JD338 Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. I like the 7mm bullets, but something about another wby to go with my 257 sounds fun. The .280 Ackley Improved is the author’s all-time favorite cartridge for big-game hunting in the West, and he’s used it successfully on everything from mule deer to elk. Die Patrone eignet sich ausgezeichnet für die Gebirgsjagd auf Gams, Steinwild und Rotwild. But what I see on your target is often due to a hot barrel. Russell E. Taylor. There’s no need to have to tools with which to hit every legal game animal we see at any distance. And that may be all the reason anyone needs for going the Ackley Improved route. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. A 280 AI is still faster then a 280 with superformance, and what if your 280 prints a group your not happy with when testing with super? More The Gun Nuts. 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